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Spren, Shardblades and Truthless – A Link?

Greetings once again. The month of January saw a huge amount of forum discussion surrounding the topics of spren. A number of suggestions were made regarding spren and how they could possibly relate to various aspects of the world of Roshar.

Before delving deeper I want to point out that this news post contains major spoilers. This is a theory post and as such it is expected that anyone reading this has finished the book and is aware of its various aspects. That being said, allow me to jump directly into my theory.

What I am proposing is a link between Spren and Shardblades. This theory received quite a bit of discussion on the forums, and for that reason I want to spotlight the concept. I would, however, like to take the concept one step further and integrate the nature of the Truthless of Shinovar. First though, the groundwork for this theory.

Towards the end of tWoK Sanderson provides a very overt hint that there is a link between spren and Shardblades. This comes by way of Syl, and her obvious dislike for the objects. To quote:

“He clapsed his hands behind him; Syl sat on his shoulder.

“Dare I trust him?” he asked softly.

“He’s a good man,” Syl said. “I’ve watched him. Despite that thing he carried.”

“That thing?”

“The Shardblade.”

“What do you care about it?”

“I don’t know,” she said, wrapping her arms around herself. “It just feels wrong to me. I hate it. I’m glad he got rid of it. Makes him a better man.”

-pg 981

Kaladin does not press further, and as such we receive no more information from Syl regarding her less than positive feelings about Shardblades. Sanderson obviously wanted to hint at a connection without delving too deeply. I suppose all of his secrets can’t be revealed in his first book.

Aside from Shardblades, Roshar sees other “magical” devices in the form of fabrials. Exactly how fabrials work is not discussed in the book directly. Fans in need of more information will never be appeased, and as such, the scribblings on the two pages from “Navani’s Notebook” located inside the book were deciphered. These pages contain information regarding two types of fabrials, but more importantly, they explain how fabrials work. A link to the deciphered pages can be found here, but please note that this page contains spoilers that are not published in the books and have instead been discovered by outside sources. Read with caution.

Please also note that the following discussion will involve information from these pages as well.

The translation reads:

The cut and type of the gem determines what kind of spren are attracted to it and can be imprisoned in it.

There must be thousands of possible combinations. Once a spren is captured and the gem infused with Stormlight thefabrial can be used in machines.

-Navani’s Notebook

The term “imprisoned” makes the whole process sound very unenjoyable for the spren involved. Aside from the obvious example of Syl and Kaladin, this indicates that spren have some magical properties that are capable of being harnessed by regular people. It is unlikely that those who use fabrials have any knowledge of these trapped spren, as it is stated many times throughout the book that Navani and those like her keep their secrets safe.

The question is, where did this notion come from? Who would have thought that forcing spren inside a device would cause it to have these properties. In Dalinar’s first vision, there is implication that fabrials have yet to be created:

“We need to get someplace safe,” he said. “Is there a cellar nearby?”

“A what?”

“Cave in the rock, man-made or natural.”

“No caves,”  the woman said, joining him at the window. “How would men make a hold in the rock?”

With a Shardblade or a Soulcaster. Or even with basic mining – though that could be difficult, as the crem would seal up coverns and highstorm rains made for an extremely potent risk of flooding.

-pg 300 – 301

The concept of creating a hole in the rock is foreign to these people, and as such its safe to assume that Soulcasters have yet to be created, or at least yet to be widely used. We learn later that when the radiants deserted humanity, their Shardblades were fought over. The time frame of tWoK indicates that there are few Shardblades. Obviously these creations were unable to be reinvented. Fabrials became the means for “magic” to happen.

My suggestion is that the creation of fabrials occurred as an attempt by those who are not radiants to recreate the powers of the radiants. Aware that the powers of the Radiants were drawn from spren, fabrial makers began trapping spren in their instruments. We also know that Jah Keved has created a type of fabrial that has the properties of Shardplate (able to stop a Shardblade).

Outside, he could hear footfalls. Szeth glanced to see men pouring into the room. The newcomers carried distinctive, diamond-shaped shields. Half-shards. Szeth had heard of the new fabrials, capable of stopping a Shardblade.

-pg 717

We know that fabrials were invented sometime after the time of the Radiants, or at the very least towards the end of their existence. We know that the people of Roshar have a major desire to recreate Shardblades. We know that the properties of Shardplate were mimicked by the creation of a fabrial. Lastly, we know that fabrials are created by imprisoning a spren.

I am therefore agreeing with the notion proposed on our forums that spren in some way sacrifice themselves, or willingly enter into a blade (a voluntary “imprisonment”), in order to create a Shardblade.

For one, this would provide a clear explanation for Syl’s dislike of Dalinar’s shardblade. If a spren were to sacrifice themselves and create a weapon to be used for good, then the modern use of Shardblades would be offensive to her. It seems that this sacrifice is irreversible, or at least not easily reversible. Spren would likely be very unwilling to be used in the ways that Shardblades are used today.

Assuming this link, I then turn my attention to our favorite Truthless, and the character that I find most intriguing, Szeth. Szeth immediately jumps out as a character that breaks the rules we think we understand. For one, his Shardblade is different then any that is in the possession of any other character:

At the tenth beat of his heart, his Shardblade dropped into his waiting hand. It formed as if condensing from mist, water beading along the metal length. His Shadeblade was long and thin, edged on both sides, smaller than most others. Szeth swept it out, carving a line int he stone floor and passing through the second guard’s neck.

-pg 25

Further, he has powers similar to those of Kaladin, yet he has no noticeable spren. This seems to contradict the comment Syl makes to Kaladin, indicating that her presence is the direct cause of his powers:

“I’m behind what is happening to you,” she said, voice soft. “I’m doing it.”

Kaladin frowned, stepping forward.

“It’s both of us,” she said. “But without me, nothing would be changing in you. I’m . . . taking something from you. And giving something in return. It’s the way it used to work, though I can’t remember how or when. I just know that it was.”

- pg 808

I’m not the first to acknowledge this quote and then ponder why Szeth’s spren is mysteriously missing. In my opinion, the fact that Szeth’s shardblade is different then others seems to be the link. For most, their Shardblade is something they found, inherited or won. Assuming the theory that a spren is contained inside a blade, then the blade they are carrying contains someone else’s spren. Szeth, however, carries a blade created by his own spren, and as such, the blade is formed in a way that best serves him. Further, I feel that the process of his spren turning into a weapon is the specific reason that Szeth is considered “Truthless.”

We know that the Shin are opposed to weapons.

“This time,” he said. “But if it warns us of bandits in the dark, it’ll repay its cost a dozen times over. Kylrm, lower your bows. You know how they feel about those things.”

-pg 433

We also know that those who pick up weapons instantly become property, and are about as low in society as a person can be.

“Wow,” Rysn said. “He brought a lot of servants.”

“Servants?” Vstim said.

“The fellows in brown.”

Her babsk smailed. “Those are his guards, child.”

“What? They look so dull.”

“Shin are a curious folk,” he said. “Here, warriors are the lowliest of men – kind of like slaves. Men trade and sell them between houses by way of little stones that signify ownership, and any man who picks up a weapon must join them and be treated the same. The fellow in the fancy robe? He’s a farmer.”

-pg 434

We know that stones signify ownership for warriors, much as Szeth’s stone does. However, Szeth’s seems to also have the property of requiring him to obey any command. We also know that Truthless is the lowest point in Shin society. From Szeth’s demeanor and actions, it seems as if he may be even lower then the average Shin who picks up a weapon.

I’d like to point to another quote that I feel has a great amount of significance:

“What did you learn?” Vstim said to her as they walked back toward the lead wagon.

“That shin are odd.”

“No,” Vstim said, though he wasn’t stern. He never seemed stern. “They are simply different, child. Odd people are those who act erratically. Thresh and his kind, they are anything but erratic. They may be a little too stable. The world is changing outside, but the Shin seem determined to remain the same. I’ve tried to offer them fabrials, but they find them worthless. Or unholy. Or too holy to use.”

“Those are rather different things, master.”

“Yes,” he said. “But with the Shin, its often hard to distinguish among them. Regardless, what did you really learn?”

-pg 436

Among the Shin, its difficult to differentiate between something that is “unholy” and something that is “too holy to use.” To the parts of Roshar that we’ve been introduced to, Shardblades are an object of great power; weapons of the Heralds, and those who fought alongside them, a group that could be considered “holy” by the commoners. I am proposing that to the Shin, a people who seem to have some ties to the Radiants, Shardblades fall into the category of “too holy to use”, and as such, by Szeth having one, he is considered “unholy.” The lowest of the low. To further this argument, Szeth’s blade could be connected to his spren. If the Shin consider the previously suggested “spren sacrifice” as a death, then Szeth could have inadvertently perpetrated the most heinous crime of all: murder (the death of his spren) to create a Shardblade (a weapon). Two no-nos in Shin society.

I’d like to acknowledge one last quote:

The plain around her was dotted with strange, striaght-trunked trees with stiff, skeletal branches full of leaes that didn’t withdraw in the wind. The entire landscape had an eerie feel to it, as if it were dead. Nothing moved. With a start, Rysn realized she couldn’t see any spren. Not a one. No windspren, no lifespren, nothing.

-pg 433

The absence of spren in Shinovar has potential to make them special creatures to the Shin, and as such, they could be holy as well. If this were the case, Szeth sacking his in return for a blade could make his act even more atrocious.

This theory leaves some questions unanswered. Why would Szeth do this, knowing the consequences? Why have more spren not bonded with people, and subsequently created more Shardblades? Do spren make Shardplate as well? Unfortunately, only Sanderson has all the answers, and it looks like we’ll be waiting until at least 2012 to have more clues. For now, all we have is speculation.

Much of this post has been discussed on the forums, and for those who have yet to register I encourage you to join our discussion. Whether you want to come to agree with me, or point out holes in my theory, the more heads we have bashing against one another, the more we can attempt to discern about mysteries such as this one.

UPDATE: For more points on this topic, sparked by questions from Moogle’s comment, please review this thread, where I take my theory a little further.

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14 Comments

  1. CommentsMoogle   |  Thursday, 24 February 2011 at 4:34 am

    Great, well thought out theory. The big thing it relies on is that Szeth willingly had his spren sacrifice itself. From what we’ve seen, Shinovar has no spren at all. And why would the spren give itself up in a time of peace in the most peaceful country? Why would the Stone Shamans want to retrieve his blade? There’s a lot of unanswered questions.

  2. CommentsCopes   |  Thursday, 24 February 2011 at 1:38 pm

    You’re right, there are a lot of unanswered questions. I spent an extra few weeks writing this trying to fill all the holes, but unfortunately, I wasn’t able to.

    Regarding your first question, I contemplated addressing that but didn’t. I started a topic in the Book 1 forum regarding a quote from Szeth in the intro, where he makes the comment about the existence of Voidbringers. I believe the line is “his punishment demanded that they didn’t (exist), his honor demanded that they did.”

    We know Syl is regaining her memories slowly as she spends more time with Kaladin. Perhaps Szeth’s spren regained his/hers as well, and subsequently recalled the Voidbringers and began to see signs of an incoming Desolation. We know that Szeth became Truthless the same year that people began to have their death speeches. One of those could have clued in a spren?

  3. CommentsCopes   |  Thursday, 24 February 2011 at 1:54 pm

    http://www.stormblessed.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=347&p=3315#p3315

    Regarding what I mentioned above.

  4. CommentsAnonymouse   |  Saturday, 05 March 2011 at 7:20 pm

    What if Szeth’s spren is traped in his oathstone?

  5. CommentsSoulcasted   |  Friday, 24 June 2011 at 8:35 pm

    I like your theory. The translations from Navani are very insightful. However, Dalinar and Navani had spoke in the book about fabrials and Shardblades being alike, when Navani was showing them her pain fabrial. If Navani knows about the spren being trapped, why would she say Shardblades are nothing like fabrials in the way they are constructed. With that being said makes u wonder what really they are, and does Navani know something we dont’ about them.

  6. Commentsryan earle   |  Tuesday, 05 July 2011 at 1:52 pm

    I seem to recall reading a blog after sanderson’s book warbreaker was published where he said he loved the idea of a talking sword and was looking for creative ways to integrate the idea into one of his works. just sayin’ it seems to fit with the theory that spren become a part of the shard blades.

  7. CommentsMike   |  Tuesday, 05 July 2011 at 10:38 pm

    This is a good theory. I think it can tie into the fact that Syl is an Honorspren, and that there are Honorblades. The Parshendi that Dalinar and Kaladin fought had a Shardblade shaped like flame – could that blade have been a flamespren? Perhaps the Stone Shamans know how to release the spren from the Shardblade? I think it is more likely that Szeth found himself in a situation where he needed to defend himself, and his fear caused his spren to manifest as a Shardblade. Or, even more interesting, what if Szeth had been dying, seen a deathspren and used it to form his Shardblade. After all, he does hate the thing.

  8. CommentsNaomi   |  Thursday, 07 June 2012 at 3:39 pm

    While you’ve represented the theory very well, I have to disagree.

    I think the most likely reason that Syl dislikes shardblades is because they can kill spren… assuming that is what happens when you use a shardblade to kill a person- you kill their spren aka their soul.

  9. CommentsJamispren   |  Tuesday, 25 September 2012 at 4:55 pm

    Syl kept asking if spren were caused by or attracted to their namesakes. We know pain spren are attracted to pain caused by battle injury, but if a fabriol can remove pain utilizing a trapped sprens power then the spren may have the ability to affect the thing they are attracted to (though I don’t believe they cause it). It seems obvious honor spren are attracted to honor, enough so for Syl to follow Dalinar despite his carrying the shard blade.

    That said I think spren were voluntarily bound to the radiants because of the way the radiants lived and their oaths & ideals. In one of the visions Dalinar noticed how the shard plate glowed until the knights took it off. When others donned it it didn’t glow because the men who wore it did not have the spren’s support. Could it be that the armor and blades were themselves broken by the betrayal? Could this be the reason they came to be called shards?

    Finally, in the first vision the Radiant told Dalinar that anyone who desired to learn to fight must be trained so that the fighting didn’t destroy them. It would seem that becoming bound to a spren would be possible for anyone if they devoted their thoughts and actions appropriately.

    Just a few rambling thoughts.

  10. CommentsSpencer   |  Friday, 07 December 2012 at 6:27 am

    As Moogle noted above, I believe that the fact that Szeth was “required to carry the Blade until his death, after which Shin Stone Shamans would recover it from however had killed him” is an important point here. I believe this proves that the blade was not created specifically for Szeth. Consequently, I do not believe that spren are infused into the plate and/or blades but enhance their abilities in some manner akin to how Kaladin became more adept at absorbing and using Stormlight after saying the Second Ideal of the Knights Radiant to Syl. He states that “It seemed that Stormlight worked better for him now. It had been more potent, more powerful.” Therefore I believe that the reason that the KR’s armor glowed and they displayed a variety of magic is that each of the ten orders came to some agreement, an Ideal, with their corresponding spren that enhanced their powers. As a result the fact Szeth doesn’t have a spren is confusing and, like you said, must have some relevance to the term “Truthless.” Perhaps a Shardbearer that creates the bond of an Ideal with a spren personalizes the blade in some way, the Parshendi’s for instance? That might explain “Truthless” in that Szeth may have broken the Ideal and his spren left him.

  11. CommentsBen Joyner   |  Tuesday, 08 January 2013 at 6:53 pm

    I like this post because it puts to words many of my own thought on this book. However, I would like to propose an extension to your theories. My thoughts are that the Shin are the decedents of the original Radients. Possibly the original honorspren were transformed into the blades as a way of fighting the voidbringers. Once the thread had been defeated it may have been determined that this process was ireversible. The Radients therefor appalled at having to continue to use their spen in this way gave up their blades and armor. This could also be why the plate no longer glows as it did in Dalinars vision, since the honor spren are now mismatched. being decendents of the origional radients, the shin would find the use of weapons similar to that of taking up a shardblade again after they were given up originally. this would also explain why carrying a shardblade again would cause him to become truthless. This connection in my opinion is similar to the transition in history of the ail/tuathaann, in the the wheel of time books.

  12. CommentsSanjeev   |  Tuesday, 19 February 2013 at 10:21 pm

    I re-read the TWOK while being sick over two days and in my fevered state this is the theory I came up with.

    What if the Spren transform into the Blade & Plate. It could be similar to how Kaladins powers become more efficient after he said the second oath. In that battle, Syl was constantly floating around his body, what if this is the precursor to becoming Plate.

    And the reason Plate and Blade don’t work like they used to is that when the Radiants relinquished them the Spren left them and dissolved back to their primitive states and what was left was just an empty shell, essentially a body without a soul.

    In the vision Dalinar has, the helm of the Radiants appear and disappear without them taking it off or putting it on, This would be easily explained if the Spren transform into the Plate. As well, the Radiants can use Lashings even while wearing plate whereas Szeth can’t. This is because the current Plates that exist are just the discarded shells of what they used to be.

    A full KR Blade + Plate are just a physical manifestation of his/her partner Spren. Remember, Spren can take on any shape/form.

    This means a Blade does not necessarily need to be a sword, it could also be a spear.

  13. CommentsBen Joyner   |  Wednesday, 13 March 2013 at 11:39 am

    That is a very good theory. That would also explain why Syl calls the Plate and Blades “wrong” and doesn’t like their use. Since they would be essentially dead husks.

  14. CommentsSurculus   |  Wednesday, 27 March 2013 at 4:10 pm

    Wow, that is a lot of presumptions.

    Szeth’s shardblade was given to him by someone from Shinovar (I do not recall what he called them) and that when he died they would come to collect the shard. Thus it would be rather arbitrary to say that his shardblade is actually ‘his’ spren.

    This perhaps doesn’t disprove your theory, but it seems like you’re just making arbitrary assumptions because of some slight correlations.

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